Solar power has cut my dependence on local power company by up to 75% some months. Some day everyone will be using it or your would be just throwing your dedicated resources away. You can take a cruise each year with what you save and start enjoying life for a change. Think about it. Your quality of like would get better, plus you will be contributing for a cleaner air quality for our kids. Win Win.
before Solarcity 40 to 60 a month. after solarcity 110 a month after one year i owe more than its worh. they are exempt from class action law sews. sign contract and you are doomed. the rebate goes to them.
An identical business model to show how absurd solar city is:
"CoopedUp is a new company selling chicken eggs directly to the consumer. If you sign up you can have a chicken coop put in your backyard and maintained completely by our staff. In exchange for allowing us to place this here and accessing your property at times, we will sell you eggs at the exact same rate that they can be bought for at the local produce store / market. Come join the family so that we don't have to buy any land and can increase our profits!"
The problem with this is that they are trying to compete with the other businesses who are able to deceive consumers with front end prices, while keeping the back end costs hidden. Still, the effort is a great start and hopefully one people will start to learn more about.
Solar Contractors are charging way to much and getting rich off dumb homeowners who will take decades to pay of there system. Do your own research and install yourself. Many companies on ebay sell solar panels
Then your the crooked contraCTOR WHO STEALS HOMEOWNERS HARD EARNED MONEY AND HIRE home depot illegals to keep all the money for yourself. If people knew how easy to install solar panels are you'd be out of a job!!!
Your a dumbass. You probably work for a contractor. First of all the solar contractor pays his supposed experts very little per hour and runs to the bank to keep all the profits for himself. Second you don't need to do a roof install. Contractors typically keep 20K for themselves but that's a dirty little secret homeowners don't know consequently people overpay.
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Doesn't even include all the real benefits, e. g. doing your part in leaving as clean an environment behind to future generations who will undoubtedly need as much help as possible in trying to survive the giant mess their greedy parents made.
Free until something craps out and you have to replace it. RMA process sucks, with any company. SolarCity has everything stocked in their warehouses so if you ever need service its done quickly. Plus, you buy it yourself then who is going to install it? I'll take SolarCity, Sunrun, Vivint Solar, any day over some local "contractor/plumber/hvac/roofer/landscaper/electrician" jack of all trades master of none.
the key to having utilities accept wind and solar is to have utility size batteries.this will allow the utilities to smooth out the peak demand and they will stop trying to stop solar and wind.the home batteries don't help the utilities until they have utility size batteries.
You are ignoring the back end cost of dirty energy and the benefits of clean, sustainable energy. This shouldn't be about instant gratification, but yeah... that's what a large chunk of the US focuses on. Shame on them, they have no business procreating.
You made a great choice. You will be done paying in 10 years or less and you will STILL have a full warranty and maintenance service with SolarCity for 10 years AFTER! Plus, you have Zep mounting which looks better than all others!
I'm happy that you are saving money, but compared to sourcing a solar system yourself, it's a rip off. I will be installing 6,000 watts for about $6000 before any incentives. After 30% federal and other credits, It should cost less than 50 cents per watt. If you pay someone for installation, it should take about 25 man hours and cost 500-1000 dollars for labor before incentives.
let me rephrase. I'm buying, saving 70 a month off what I currently pay, and the payment is locked in!!! Compared to electric companies rates are not locked in. On top of that I get a 7500 tax credit. You lose
You gotta be reckless to let this someone put panels on your home and be on the hook for 20yrs the panels and equipment don't cost that much to buy even on 5yr loan. Basically solarcity if you do your research makes money from the interest on the loans and over charging. The equipment isn't gonna last 20yrs unless they provide a means. If you look at how the guy talks to reporter he is a hard pitched sales man like a used car dealer. If you can stand his type. Solar isnt all that you can cut your usage or buy a wind gen or install your own solar cheaper then what they offer with no 20 year commitment.
Basically Solar city is a utility company that tricks you into providing them with a free spot to place their panels.
In most of their deals you never own the panels, you pay a kwh rate similar to what you already pay the power company (they adjust it based on location, which when you think about it makes no sense..), they get to use your roof for their property and you pay them no matter what. They purposefully won't design a system that is positive for you to produce excess. You can't ever make a profit on the contract.
But if you just stick with a normal company, buy and install panels yourself, the bill will be offset and on low usage days you will actually get paid.
In some places this means you could actually make money by installing the panels.. But not with solar city. They're just a middle man scamming you by not paying for your roof space.
Justin Balsley You should always overproduce if you can. This is like saying only invest enough to retire like you're on minimum wage.. Why would you not do yourself a favor and produce more? You can get extra credit for it to balance out low production and high use months, keep up with rising electric rates in the future, and ensure that as the panels lose some efficiency over time you'll still be generating enough.
Also worth what time? You make the investment and install exactly the same. It doesn't take extra time to get credit for excess.. It's automatic.
Solar city doesn't care about you, they care that they can convince people to sign up for a plan that is essentially overcharging for kwh to pay off their panel investment and guilt you into sticking with them. They're in it to make money. Nothing more. That's shown by how they'll set their prices based on the local market instead of what the panels production would be.
You can produce excess. There is no benefit to it though. The utilities will only pay you a wholesale rate that is not worth your time. Instead, you should only produce what you expect to use, which will save you from paying otherwise. The utility companies have ensured that you will not be able to use them as a source of passive income, SolarCity is only playing within the bounds set by government and ruling parties. Your anger is misguided. SolarCity would love to sell more panels, that is the name of the game. However, SolarCity recognizes that the customer will not benefit from doing this, and therefore try to prohibit it so that they do not tarnish there reputation through shady practices.
Fuentes That's not applicable to this company at all. 1) Not a new company
2) Their prices are higher than panels that are readily available all over, they're not even producing them, they're just buying them and essentially storing them on you for no benefit whatsoever to the customer.
3) The model 3 isn't even out yet.. And that's not even relevant to this discussion.
Eileen the Crow youre so confused.. they are a new company they are trying to stablish themselves only to make their product cheaper in the future juat like how his couain elon musk started selling expensive tesla cars now the model 3 is under 50k... its qhat all companies do.. well at least smart ones.
From what I'm seeing right now solarcity is a scam.
A direct scam.
The rate is higher than utility power. And you still pay the power company, the only difference is the power company is now solarcity and part of the production is on your roof.
You never get paid for excess energy, they just give you a bill credit and that offsets power later.. When you use more than it produces you draw from the grid and its still "dirty power" as the rep says.
It seems to be a SIGNIFICANTLY better deal to just buy a solar system on your own and stay with local power companies. Sell your excess to them and pay when you use more.
You can actually profit this way, even when the panels are financed.
Solar city however purposely designs the system to be neutral. They don't want you producing more than you use because then they have to give you that credit. They basically just want to take over your bill. They advertise increasing the home value but you never own the system and the value DOES NOT increase.. Basically they'll ask the new home owners if they want to use them for power and if the new residents say no, they'll come and take their panels back.
I was contacted in person by a rep who explained it all and then after investigating further I see the appeal, IF you live in an area with crazy expensive rates.. But for most people you're better off investing in a system without the $0 down scam.
Solarcity needs to expand to all states. I like SolarCity. I fully support it. But im from Missouri. I have no local Solarcity representative or store around me. Solarcity has potential and a clear goal. I can see millions of people using SolarCity. Good deal.
+OldTownie92 that's perfect actually you aquire credits in the day! so at night you will be using up those credits you get it? its called net metering so infact you will actually benefit pretty good from this!
+Shengz W™ No they won't be.
You pay them a fixed Kwh rate just like you pay your current company. They design the system to not provide excess power, and you never own the panels.
Basically you switch to SolarCity for your utility. They use your roof to install their panels and you get nothing in return. Then you pay them like you'd pay anybody else.
Basically they are just a utility service that tricks you into giving up your roof for free so they don't need to buy land for their panels to sit on.
+Henry Lo actually one more point here Mr Lo, since there are no batteries in the solar city installation what exactly am I getting out of this. 90% of the electricity I use is at night. Most people are not home during the day so once again there is another point made that makes the offer solar city made to me suck.
+Henry Lo ok well I'm tired of arguing. Let me close this out with one more point. If this deal is so great and honest, why can't a homeowner cancel the contract and have the panels removed from their roof at anytime? Why does their need to be a iron clad 20 year contract?
Solar is a joke. If you don't think so, turn off your natural gas. The end. Good-bye now, this company told me to die? OK. I did not know you had so much 'solar' power! LMAO! Read the fine print people, read it twice.
We swim in natural gas, burn it off to make room for more, no need of dirty ME oil, we have it here, they just want people to die by solar and wind as it can never power on it's own. Hoping it all gets torn down January 2017.
When they run the nation on solar and wind and no animals die I might turn off my natural gas, nah, we work in it, live in it and subsidize the fake solar/wind. I don't whine, just speak my mind and just because you live in a fantasy doesn't mean all of us do. lalalalalalala.
I went with Vivint just because the sales guy came to my door first. they to offer a PPA yes can have two bills one from Solar city and one from the utility but if Solar City is charging you .115 cents a kwh and the electric company charges 25 cents a Kwh you save money both Solar City and Vivint want to instal a system that provided at least 80 percent up to 90 percent of your electricity. So yo ucan save anywhere from 20 to 40 percent on your bill. I would rater have two bills for 90 dollars than pay one bill of 150 dollars.. And it cost you nothing... If you saw 60 dollars on the street would you pick it up or keep walking..... Buying a system if you can afford it is always better but the PPA is a good way to save money in my case 60-75 dollars a month with no money out of my pocket...
Do not recommend. You may see savings initially, but after 7 years or so, you're actually paying equal to if you were just paying for tier-4 electricity. And halfway through your contract, you're actually paying more than tier-4 electricity forever (even if you're not in tier 4 at all).
Remember, there is no *upfront* cost. However, you still have to pay a *rental fee* for the solar panels (which is as high as 100 dollars a month). This price is increased by 5% every year, so get ready to bend over backwards 7-10 years down the road.
If you're planning on doing solar panels, I highly recommend buying your own and cutting out these fuckers entirely.
Have you looked at your electric bill lately? Are you aware of your killowatts usage these days and more importantly are you well aware of the charges you are paying for and what you are forced to pay, with your electric bill? Will you continue to pay more for dirty energy power as oppose to paying less for cleaner energy power? Ahaa..moment..
Ethel Cabanlit Are you aware solar city is a scam? Are you aware that their electric rates aren't cheaper than the competition but you willingly must agree to have a liability and eyesore placed on your property with no benefit?
Are you aware you've been pulled into a pyramid scheme? Aha moment.
I just had a consult with this company. Not as good a deal as you think. You end up being locked into a contract with them and still have to pay your electricity company AND solarcity. IMO not worth it. Last thing I need is to deal with 2 greedy energy companies.
+Will Wayze Of course its possible, money could fall from the sky too that's possible also but highly unlikely.....utilities wont drop there price unless forced to by competition even then I doubt it .....A 2.9% inflation adjustment is still far better than the utilities 4% average....if people need power (which they do) why not just get it cleaner and cheaper at the same time....I don't see any down side?
As for buying a system out right, its a fantastic idea IF you have the cash to do it but the vast majority of people don't, so leasing a system is far more financially viable. ....Its for this reason why solar has had such a up take which is what we need to happen
+Kim Rollo it's very possibly the utility will compete on price, and even if they don't the panels have an escalator. Usually 2.9% meaning in the 20 years your price will be as high as it is today, if you do the math on overall savings over the 20 years it's pennies, and you could have purchased 2-3 solar systems with it, which will eventually allow you to pay $0 because your own power plant. A PPA makes sense I guess if someone is completely broke and wants to be more green, that makes sense, but to smart people it's a win/lose deal
+OldTownie92 And for how long are you locked in to paying your current utility? How did you choose your current energy provider? If you would like to continue paying more for dirty energy by all means go ahead...
+OldTownie92 I still fail to understand your argument,?....you pay less and its clean energy....I can understand the skepticism of the being locked into a long contract but what are the odds that electrical energy is suddenly going to get cheaper?...... and even if in the future you sell your house the new buyer get the benefit of getting cheaper energy.........so what struck you as "not good?"
So most everyone is trying to so it already. I work for SolarCity as an Inside Energy Specialist and we get 20,000 calls a month or more of people who have heard SolarCity and want to go solar. SolarCity cares about its customers and our earth. Can you tell me that whatever utility you buy from really cares? The only thing utilities care about is making money and ripping off their customers. I mean what are you going to do when your electric bill is too high. Stop is on electricity or just pay the bill. Exactly, everyone just pas their bill without question. SolarCity customers are forward thinkers that realize electric rates are climbing every year with or without your permission.
There are more options than a PPA and Lease. These options only make sense for some individuals. Personally, I feel that Loans and Cash are the best, hands down. You own the system, increase property value, continue producing energy after the loan period is over, and all at a price that is generally lower than your normal electric bill would be throughout the loan period. PPA and Lease are great for those who feel that they maybe want to save a bit more in the here and now, and are not concerned with owning a system 20 years down the road. To each there own. However, if you still feel that SolarCity is a "scam" which is unwarranted and a logical fallacy. Then what would that make the utility companies? SolarCity is a very open and direct company, who else would post there agreements online? If SolarCity is what you consider bad, then your other options are stark in comparison, besides building your own windmill in your backyard.
Will Wayze Thank you. You get it. This is all just designed to get people to give them a free storage location by tricking people with the "feel good by going green" mentality. In the end you own nothing, no increased property value and you don't pay much less than other providers but have a liability on your roof.
After watching SolarCity's in-house add, I searched them out on YouTube and found this one by Fortune Magazine...after watching this and other, I have to wonder, "So why doesn't EVERYONE go Solar?"
You would lease because you are paying for more affordable power. You do not pay for the system you just pay for the power the system produces.Why would you keep buying dirty power at a higher rate then clean power, When was the last time your utility lowered your rates.
as its stands now you don't own the power that runs to your house anyway. If you choose not to pay you are in the dark. Its not like cable or satellite tv you can't just cut it off and say ill be ok. Solar, wind, dinosaur farts, whatever the power source is still going to be owned by someone else.
Look at it this way: right now you do not own any part of the utility in your area. Your only option is to purchase the power at whatever rate they choose. SolarCity comes in and essentially takes the place of the utility and does what they do for less. It's actually pretty simple.
If buying the panels made sense, people would do that.
so says the retard that makes that statement Numair. What planet are you from? That guy is a CEO of a multi million dollar company. What have you done? Because i just googled your name and it came up with a wikipedia page that described a mental retard working in fast food.
Cities that own their electrical utilities - such as Palo Alto, CA, with which Mr. Musk is familiar - provide better service at lower rates, and promote clean energy, decentralized production and all that other good stuff. That's because the natural monopoly of infrastructure doesn't fit the "free market" paradigm, so private for-profit ownership creates perverse incentives. Just like streets and sewers, community ownership works better. We should all do it.
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