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I disliked this video because you made so many errors when explaining how Windows apps will run. To begin with, not everything will be emulated. Windows OS itself is running natively on ARM. UWP apps are generally ARM native as well. ARM64 compiled apps will provide a significant performance boost over the emulated version. You made a few other errors as well.
My advice, just stick to covering smartphones.
I don't get it. There currently is the 845. The new 850 is targeted towards laptop configurations. For some reason though, they're comparing the 850 to the 835 not 845. The 850 though, is more powerful, has better thermals, and is more power efficient. So why isn't this a phone SoC if it performs better in all the important metrics? Why are they comparing this to the 835 and not 845?
Yeah beeing always connected like that is not something we would want here in germany... You pay like 30€ a month but only get like 10gb from a bad carrier lol... If you want it to be good you only get like 5gb.... Thats a shame but theres nothing anyone could do except for the politicians...
Maruf Mostafa but Intel didn't take qualcomm seriously until it was too late. Their atom mobile soc had potential but the lack of development and their reluctance to push it to more oem's halted further advancement.
Exactly - as of now, even a humble Raspberry Pi with low-end Cortex A53 cores can take advantage of the x86 emulation code and run x86 apps. It's all standard ARM64 code (though Snapdragons apparently have optimizations for it, but no actual new instructions, or at least those aren't used yet).
I used Lenovo Miix 630 for a while. Unfortunately Snapdragon 835 wasn't powerful to run (with emulation) office applications. Overall user experience was sluggish. It's better to buy intel / amd cpu laptop unless you dont want to have 20 hours of sluggish performance.
-I don't know how you could misunderstand your own graph. Read under the table "Native Process"
-It clearly states that Windows 10 run native on ARM. Shell applications run native on ARM. MS Office run native on ARM. MS Store apps run native on ARM. Legacy x86 apps require emulation. What's so difficult for you to understand? x64 support is coming to Snapdragon 850.
-It's not slow if you only use the software from the MS Store.
-Since you're at it, why don't you show proof that Windows 10 itself is emulated on ARM?
Rahim Rabbani Sharizam
The Emulation is always running. Listen it's Windows RT with an x86 Emulator. I don't get what's so difficult for you to understand? Not to mention it's so damn slow with x86 (unusable for x64) that only an idiot will buy one.
It's like the $1,000 (reduced to $750) Google Pixelbook but worse in every respect with hardly any good Apps. Not to mention at least Google was smart enough to use an i5 and i7.
-You might want to re-read your own graph. It clearly states that Windows, Edge and shell run under "Native Process".
-"64-bit x86 applications don't work" — You can do all your essential stuffs on 32-bit x86 applications, sometimes, even better. 99.98% of Windows software are available in 32-bit.
-"Shell extensions, input method editors, assistive technologies don’t work" — who's gonna do those things on a tablet PC?
-"Cloud storage apps don’t work" — You can still use OneDrive, or use internet browser for cloud storage.
-"No x86 drivers are supported" — that's gonna be a problem for older printers indeed. Apart from that, all components run native on ARM.
-"Hyper-V, Microsoft’s own virtualization system, is not supported" — again, who's gonna use a virtual machine on a tablet PC? Do you know that Hyper-V is also not supported on x86_64 Windows 10 Home? And you can actually install Ubuntu Linux on Windows 10 on ARM from the MS Store.
-"Vulkan and OpenGL are not supported. Pre-DX9 APIs are not supported" — they clearly said that this PC is not meant for graphic intensive applications.
-All of those limitations are already made known by the developer to potential buyers.
-Windows 10 on ARM is *not* an emualtion.
Rahim Rabbani Sharizam
Sorry buddy but are you dense? Of course the Windows ARM IS is running an Emulator .. the version that didn't was the failed Windows RT.
Here's a Emulation Graph for dummies, you might want to check it out https://www.extremetech.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/x86-Slide.png
Umm no I don't run Apple's nor MacOS. However, this is the exact same situation that Apple ran across when they switched processors back in the 90's.
Here's a small list of other limitations of the Windows ARM Emulation:
64-bit x86 applications don’t work. Thurrot doesn’t specify if 64-bit ARM applications work, but seems to imply they don’t.
Shell extensions, input method editors, assistive technologies, and cloud storage apps don’t work. All of these must be recompiled for ARM and may not be available until next year.
No x86 drivers are supported. All drivers must be rewritten to run on ARM hardware.
Hyper-V, Microsoft’s own virtualization system, is not supported.
Limited graphics API compatibility. Windows 10 on ARM supports DirectX 9, 10, 11, and 12. Vulkan and OpenGL are not supported. Pre-DX9 APIs are not supported.
-It may have worse performance, but still it's *not* emulated.
-People who look for this kind of PC are not expecting to do Photoshop, nor does it advertised to do so.
-All Windows applications have 32-bit version. For some reason, I use the 32-bit version of Office 2016 on a 64-bit processor.
-You said "until Intel licenses x86 to Qualcomm", then, "people aren't going to be flocking over to ARM on Windows". Which one do ou mean? x86 or ARM?
-You keep harping on UNIX. Are you an Apple fans?
You can't burn your legs with a processor that can't do 90% of the things a true X86 processor can't do. The 835 has been shown to be slower than a Pentium mobile CPU. I think this is just a glorified tablet, not worth until there's a way to run apps natively.
Samuel Baird Yep. They all do it. Some use per app throttling (up throttling), Apple uses load based throttling. None of its realistic. That's why when people are trumpeting the A10 and A11 because of some crazy benchmarks, it's useless. There's several phones that beat it in real world speed tests and some we're even still 835 powered. I don't know about everyone, but use apps, shoot videos, use social media etc on my phones, not run benchmarks lol
Nvidias were pretty good, but too power hungry. But Apple isn't faster, it just benchmarks higher. That means nothing. They get smoked in real world speed tests all over the place. I wish people would stop insisting on saying things they don't know anything about.
835 was a phone chip but stuck in both hence not great in the laptop. the 845 is a phone chip the 850 is a laptop chip. they are both the sequels to the 835 but they are now tailor made for the devices they are put in.
Technically, but it's really not made for that kind of workload. I asked Qualcomm about it and they're really going for the Chromebook crowd on this one. Something that can do most everyday tasks but doens't need to handle crazy workloads.
Whether it has an LTE SIM in it or not, someone's still gotta pay for the data plan. Last I checked Free Wifi is a lot cheaper than LTE data plans. Or does the laptop price include some kind of lifetime subscription fee to a major LTE network? (which still means you're paying for it)
These devices aren't for people who want to cheap out. Just the device is going to cost you around $1k (that how much the current 835s cost). They are meant for people who need connectivity anywhere (regardless of the cost), along with amazing battery life and some other cool features.
scarrken, they did that shit with the 1rst gen Chrome laptop and Microsoft wanted to do it with the Xbox One before it was backlashed to hell and beyond. They will try it again and again and this looks like it.
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