We put two of Apple's priciest desktop computers, the base iMac Pro and the top of the line 5K iMac, against each other. Which one is the better buy? https://www.technobuffalo.com/2018/02/01/imac-pro-vs-5k-imac-the-results-will-surprise-you/
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3.2GHz 8-core Intel Xeon W processor
32GB 2666MHz ECC memory
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4.2GHz 7th-generation Intel Core i7
40GB 2400MHz DDR4
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I just tested my 2017 iMac 5k with 1TB SSD and my Blackmagicdesign 3.1 Disk Speed Test is 2044 WRT and 2461 RD, yours is much slower so I am wondering why as I have all kinds of other thiings open and running too. Just FYI.
The price can't be justified. Get a PC and learn to use some other software. Paying $2500 over the odds because you can't be bothered to learn a new editing program is a ridiculous waste. And the myth only Apple can edit is nonsense. I don't see Linus Tech Tips struggling to make 4k videos with their windows set up.
Technology never stops growing so believe me when i say buying something u cant upgrade is very stupid! 5 to 10,000 dollars for a imac that u cant upgrade is stupid,ur basically screwing urself it will adventually be old and outdated and theres nothing u can do about it and u cant get ur money back out of it, its funny cus apple will come out with another computer and then what r u gonna do? The 10k imac pro u bought is outdated and nobody will give a shit about it
I hate to say it’s Apple and oranges pardon the pun.
Server and desktop processors , Xeon as compared i7 is fundamentally different. One is inherently build for multi threaded tasks and the other for single thread activities. It probably would have made sense to state that at the start.
Perhaps it’s also worth waiting for the new modular Mac Pro. And get the cheaper of the machines; iMac 5k. Whilst the upgradeability of it isn’t all that special , the pro is a $6,000 + paper weight in comparison.
So go for the 5k iMac, the price differential is just too significant and if you are seriously rendering 8k videos do on a grid of render boxes.
I think the iMacPro is a great choice for pros but it is not going to "grow with you" because there is nothing a user can change on it - not even a RAM upgrade - without great difficulty. Non-upgradeability seems to be the opposite of what a pro user needs.
The quality of this video is really good. And the information was good. But tbh, it's a very small minority that is editing in 8K. Most people edit in 1080p or 4K. There definitely should be a video of these iMac's doing tests on more adobe products like LR, PS, PP, and how many files can be edited in LR and exported, and likewise with PS AND PP. That will target a larger audience. Also, the same should be done ONLY on a 5k Mac that is a base model, so that it shows what that computer can do as most people are not going to spend $4-6,000 on an iMac unless they are a well established business.
$5000.....MWAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Fucking insane! I just ordered an Origin desktop for my business (vfx for tv shows and commercials). I got an 8-core 3.6 Intel X, 128GB ram, and a 1080Ti for $4800. Apple tax is real. And before you jump on the monitor train...remember....this worthless iMac Pro has 32GB ram....not remotely enough for pro work...Sure a 5k monitor will cost more...but 128GB ram currently costs $1700!!!!! So mine still BLOW THIS CRAP AWAY for a MUCK lower price!
Did WE make a mistake?? No! Apple did! I bought 5K back to 2016 and sometimes it’s even slower than my old iMac from 2007. Especially with games. Because most power of GPU it spend to render retina picture.
I really question which of the two will even be working properly in 3-4 years. As a video editor, I invested heavy into a maxed out 2013 iMac as my every day driver, convinced that both Apple's design and product support would be the better value over time option vs building another PC. I started running into issues around 2 years in, but the system held firm with minor issues until year around year 3. By mid-2016 I was dealing with regular crashes, and by early 2017 the system almost cost me a couple of long-standing clients due to repeat system failures when pushing it in Premiere CC.
Turns out, Apple's iMac thermal design just isn't good enough for long-term serious use. After several consultations and few over-night stays in Apple's shop, I was told that given the workload, I should be happy I got as much out of it as I did. Premiere isn't optimized like FCP is for the system so every project with 4k or even worse, long GOP formatted footage, really started to push the thermal limits just scrubbing through timelines and 7 out of every 10 attempts to render caused a complete system failure and a force restart!
Sure, 3+ years for a system in a professional work environment is pretty good - I made my money back on the investment several times over - But when I started looking around and waiting for Apple to release a better product... All they did was announce more design-heavy options that look like they'll become glorified paperweights in a few years time. So, I built a new PC with an emphasis on cooling and thermal design - time will tell if it was the right decision, but when I saw that Apple wasn't changing the design on the iMac Pro and was still going cram in server grade desktop hardware with only minor modifications to the layout and a single added fan, well... best of luck to anyone buying it for long-term use! There's a reason you won't find modern mac pros or iMacs used in a serious Post house, they just aren't a reliable investment for the long run! Stick with modified g5 towers, or build a PC :)
I just switched from a completely custom built PC to an entry level 27" 5K iMac and I have to say...for someone who doesn't work with videos or anything much more intensive than basic Lightroom /Photoshop, the iMac has more than enough power to easily handle daily tasks. Don't get me wrong, for gaming and heavy workloads, I'm sure the PC has it's strong suits but the stability of MacOS is simply unmatched. Anyways, great video!
"if you are on the market to edit and create videos..." consider a machine you won't have to throw away when the graphics card will be obsolete in 2 or 3 years, while the CPU will be still viable. Wait for the new mac pro or go pc :)
Its always annoying how these video reviewers assume every workload is just like theirs, heavy video editing in Premiere or Final Cut, photo editing. What about music production? Development? Engineering? How does it handle huge amounts of VMs? Large compile times? Ableton or Logic tracks with huge amounts of automation, virtual instruments, tracks? Scientific simulations? Benchmarks exist for all of these things
I would have to disagree with this review that iMac Pro is the way to go. Today you can get two more machines that can handle the video rendering from the Adobe suite for much cheaper. Unfortunately it does not run OS X. In my opinion if you are running the Adobe suite, it might be time for you to really look at a Windows-based machine. This price tag for an iMac Pro is really ridiculous.
hi guys, really good video. However, your single core scores seem very low for the imac Pro. I have the same machine and scored a 5122 score for the single core score. Might want to try the test out again or check what programs are running in the background.
Or you could just make a PC with 5000$ that blows both of then away. I love technobuffalo but i think that this video wasn't up to there standards. Recommending a 5000$ machine and suggesting that it is a good value for professionals is insane. I am also a professional software developer and i can't understand why weren't NVDIA graphics discussed and especially the lack of them. It's appalling.
Design is “terrible!” because cooling is the awful. Performance, “worse than expected,” because the cooling system brings it down a but probably due to thermal throttling. Value is “about as valuable as your hometown getting hit with a tsunami”, because these systems are massively overpriced.
If I had to choose between these two I would go for the 5K because its more bang for buck and I would not need the power of the iMac Pro. That being said... I cannot deny the sexiness of the Space Gray iMac Pro...it might be worth the extra $ right there.
I have a 27" 5K iMac. I have a background in production, but I currently don't have the experience, or work load demands that would make me need the iMac pro, or even the 2017 iMac over the late 2015. Most of the time the iMac is used as a general computer, but I do heavier tasks at times such as running virtual machines. One other consistent use the iMac has is a media streaming server.
I have the top standard config 3.3Ghz core i5 SkyLake, 32 GB RAM that i upgraded from Amazon, a 2 TB Fusion drive, and the AMD R9-m395 2GB VRAM GPU. Overall really content with the setup, I've been able to experiment with some 4K@30 from my iPhone 7 Plus without any issues, and of course, HD is no issue.
I wouldn't think so, the iMac Pro is extremely high priced. Nice system, but only a handful of people really need it. If I was going to make that kind of purchase, I would personally build my own computer so I could maintain it much more effectively then current Macs.
Once the imac gets 8th gen i7s with 6 cores, bang for buck will only get better. Dave lee made a good point, the imac pro is not for youtubers or prosumers. ECC memory and Xeons are not always a good deal for video editing. Its meant for deep learning and compute based tasks.
Hearing fans is a good thing. When it comes to macs fans tend to kick on late to give an illusion of good cooling, but in reality the system is just running hot. Xeons run pretty hot and I would rather have my CPU for a long time and deal with noise than have it be silent and potentially burnout
so only apple products....biased much...there are lots of better machines out there other that apple...Alientware, Hp Omen, Microsoft Surface studio...MSI any high end, all blow these out of the water! COMON Apple fan boys!
Seriously, like others have said... this video was tops for current tech reviewers in the game right now. Nothing against seeing Rettinger's lovely face, but wow, this was a beautiful edit. Actually made me want to scroll down and comment about it, only to see the other top comments saying the same thing. Keep doing your thing like this, and you will be in that MKBHD realm soon.
I work with 4K files and primarily use After Effects for a living and I simply cannot justify the outlandish cost of the iMac Pro. Hell, I’m not even sure I want to use Apple products anymore in general. Windows 10 is actually pretty great and you can get a Xeon powered PC workstation for far less than the price of this all-in-one.
Yeah Windows 10 is pretty damn good actually, probably my favourite since XP. I have a good number of gripes with it but it's really catching up with OSX in design and efficiency in a tonne of ways. I use both for my work but I prefer my 5K iMac for everything that's not Windows-exclusive - but I don't blame anybody choosing Windows now, especially artists who can pretty much buy a computer with their graphics tablet built in if they go for a Surface.
It ain't about the price, though. If you're a hobbyist sure, but the difference in pricing only tends to be a couple of hundred or less if you want something with a good form factor with good components (i.e. 4-5K screen, speakers, wireless peripherals) and that's not a big deal for a business expense and investment, and building your own PC is... not for everyone (I've done it quite a few times, but I prefer the all-in-one form factor to having all those cables and all that space taken up). Surface Book costs more than MacBook Pro and Surface Studio costs more than the 5K iMac - but then if you're an artist, a Surface is going to cost less than a Mac plus a Cintiq tablet, so swings and roundabouts really!