Should you go to law school? The average debt of a 2012 law-school graduate who took out at least one loan was $84,600 for public school and $122,158 for private school.
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How do you start your own law firm or be an independent lawyer because working in a firm sort of gives all the opportunities to the higher positions and even if you are very good you'll reach that position by the time you are very old ..., ughhfcjomfd why is this so confusing I just want a normal successful life
This is no different from med school, wanna make the big buck. Then study ur ass and know ur damn job. A law firm doesnt want a douchebag who barely made it in law school. They want someone who know what theyre doing and succeed. This isnt any different from other degree programs.
Perhaps the people who can afford going to those top law schools what to spread their privilege: perhaps they don’t MIND making $45-50k. They enter public defense law (for less pay) but for the purpose of making greater societal advancements.
If you really want to go to law school just do it. But only if you REALLY want it. It is incredibly difficult academically, but also emotionally. It will change the way think, speak, and behave. Changes like that don't come without some severe growing pains. It is a humbling endeavor that should only be taken on if you are intensely committed to it for reasons other than money and power. Those things won't help you when you are crying in your shower because you have never been so ignorant, insecure, and incompetent in your life. Law school makes you question if anything you thought about yourself was ever true. By all means take it on if you want It, but spare yourself the misery if you are doing this for anyone but yourself.
The moral of the story is - don't choose a career soly based on income potential, but it also has to be one you are willing to work your hardest to excel at. Putting in mediocre work will get you mediocre results.
There are a lot of idiots making comments who haven't gone to law school nor are they lawyers. Do you want want weight loss advice from a fat chef??? If you really want to go to law school (which I wouldn't recommend), then go speak to actual attorneys. You should interview several attorneys that aren't your friends or relatives and they will tell you whether going to law school is a good idea. I'm an attorney.
It depends on where you go to law school. Let’s not kid ourselves, those who go to a really prestigious and good law school like Yale Law School or Harvard Law School have a much higher employment rate (around 90%) and much higher salaries as compared to smaller law schools in, say, Alabama, so try to get into a good one otherwise maybe don’t go
I am so glad i am doing law school in canada. There are only 14 law schools here so getting in to any canadian law school is akin to a top 50 school in the states. And JD grads in canada have a 94% employment rate after one year.
I wish I had seen this clip before going to law school. I went to a Tier 1 school, 34th in the nation, and landed in the dead center of my 2018 graduating class. Of course, I thought I'd be in the top 10%, but the competition is fierce the first year. Looking back, landing in the middle of my class was a blessing in disguise. I'm pursuing a career in sales where I'll be making close to triple and potentially quadruple what I would make as a first-year attorney. I'm foregoing the bar and not looking back.
well, isn't that depressing.
however, my situation is somehow different. i'm a filipino citizen aspiring to be a lawyer one day, i am only a high school student as of yet so my career path may change although it is not likely. anyways, the point is, statistics show that there are only about 50,000 or so living lawyers in my country. the fact that the philippines has a population of over 100 million makes the profession somewhat in need of new graduates. there are only about 10 prestigious law schools that companies offer exclusive high-paying jobs to, and, so long as you pass the bar exam, you can be sure to dramatically boost your salary and chances of being hired right off the bat. i am hoping to being able to get in one of these law schools should i decide to be a lawyer, and, perhaps with enough diligence and sacrifice, i can.
so, my question is, do you guys think i should go for it?
PS: money is not necessarily an issue in my family, as my parents told me they would support me in whatever career i choose the best they can, however, this doesn't mean it is a commodity that my family can simply waste without financial consequences.
I'm not sure I understand your question. Are you asking if getting a degree in something in addition to law will help you get a good job as a lawyer? All lawyers in the U.S. have bachelor's degrees in something other than law as a prerequisite for getting into law school, unless they live in a state which doesn't require a law degree to take the bar exam.
Are there any required courses to get into law school. I know no major is required but like in Pre med, there is no major necessary but you have to take a few key courses such as orgo, bio, physics, and gen chem. So what I’m asking is is Pre law similar to premed in that regards, or are there no required classes at all?
No, you don't have to have a certain major to go to law school. As long as you have a degree you can apply. Law schools heavily weigh your LSAT score and to a lesser extend your GPA when looking at your admission application. Certain better prepare you such as Political Science, Philosophy, English, and maybe Criminal Justice. Pretty much any major that focuses on researching and writing will be the most useful.
I don't think so, you can major in anything i think just get a high gpa, just don't major in anything stupid and by stupid i mean something like finger painting because then they might not take you seriously
Basically don't become a lawyer unless you go to a top law school or already have the connections to get into a good firm. Going near 100k in debt is not worth it unless you actually love law enough to do it for 40k. PSA some kinds of UPS drivers make 74k. If money or not being good a math is your concern there are plenty of other fields to go into besides law.
Hello I want to work as a lawyer cause I don't have anythinh to do with my life am smart I can get out of puzzles easily and I answer my mistakes so what is a good job for me laywer or other jobs...I hope I would get positive answers.
Even with mental illnesses or disabilities, you can still accomplish such wonderful goals in life, success is something you need to work for, if you achieve being an expertise as a lawyer then you can work even harder and try trial for judges positions, if you work hard then I don't think it will take that long to get in trial, many people think you need to graduate and have a good past, it's not true, if you for example steal, if you turn your life around and work for your goals and success then people will start noticing that you're not a bad person or untrustworthy for working for big companies, it will take time but if you put effort in your education and knowledge then you can relax and say you've worked hard for this success, judge is a hard position but that doesn't stop you from becoming one, just learn and read books and etc, this is the first step and also law school for a couple of years.
Law should be thought in school along side with psychology. Yeah i know math and grammar is often useful, but knowing your rights in time of need is way more useful than being able to write orangutan without misstakes, or knowing Pythagorean threorem.
+Its Wednesday my dudes
- I know, right! And Pythagorean Theorem was high school algebra if memory serves. Call and complain when you get to the discrete time fourier transform. He's practically saying: "you mean I actually have to learn/do work to get paid?..."
Lmfao the pythagorean theorem is actually implemented in developing the device your typing this shit in... I agree with the philosophy but your speaking from limited knowledge at best and your analogy is disproportionate shit
You don't need a three year course in psychology to know your rights.Law is soon enough gonna be looked in the same way as psychology. Both subjects are oversaturated and decent employment is challenging for a decent student. Btw why should stem degree be seen an a physiology degree. Stem is the reason that all the content you learn is physiology resists.
I love how almost every fucking career that makes good money has people saying "Don't do it":
Doctors: "Don't become a doctor", Lawyers: "Don't become a lawyer", Dentists: "Don't become a dentist". The only jobs that don't do this are the depressing ones no one wants: janitors, garbage men, plumbers, teachers, etc. What the fuck are you supposed to do?
Maybe despite making all that money they aren't happy with their career choice. Ever heard of "golden handcuffs"? People can get trapped in a high-paying career because they feel pressure to maintain a certain lifestyle for themselves and their family.
IT is where it’s at. You can make just as much as any doctor or corporate lawyer as a software developer or IT manager if you have the skills to pay the bills that is. That’s what I’m doing right now, but I’ve always had a passion for the law though, who knows. Perhaps there is a way for me to combine the two. Maybe find something in cyber Security.
The video is half right but just half right.
1. there are 206 or so law schools in the USA.... and if you have at least like a 3.0 GPA and a decent LSAT score you can get into one of the top 60 ones. WHat i'm saying is the people who come out of the bottom 140 or so or go into a school with a below decent GPA are greatly contributing to the unemployment/low salary statistic.
2. common sense suggest that in any profession the kids out of harvard and yale and MIT get most of the top jobs... like even the big time business owners we know that dropped out went to a big time school initially.
3. There are schools that maybe are outside the top 50 but still below top 60 that are way below the typical 150/250K cost but additionally, IK/ have checked out lawyers that have said that if you have at least a 3.0 GPA and good LSAT score you can get a good amount of scholarship money for a decent quality school. Maybe it's not top 20 or whatever but it's in the top quarter which is good enough.
4.Most people in regards to schools in general go for the top school they get into rather then finding a medium between cost and quality. You see people in law schools or universities go for lets say Stanford but they barely got in so they don't have any scholarships or anything...instead of going for like ATM a quality school where maybe they had at least a half ride.
#1 advise on if you want to do law:
Don't fucking look at discouraging vids like this and still expect to maintain a positive mental vibe. Just do it if you really want it. JUST DO IT. Believe in you not the statistics.
I was thinking the same thing but I did additional research.
1. there are 206 or so law schools in the USA.... and if you have at least like a 3.0 GPA and a decent LSAT score you can get into one of the top 60 ones. WHat i'm saying is the people who come out of the bottom 140 or so or go into a school with a below decent GPA are greatly contributing to the unemployment statistic.
2. IK people in law who have all informed me that if you have at least again a 3.0 GPA and solid LSAT score you can get a good amount of scholarship money. Also there are schools that are maybe not top 20 but still in the top half that are
way cheaper than the typical 200K or whatever cost that we hear some law students have.
3. common sense suggest that in any profession the kids out of harvard and yale and MIT get most of the top jobs... like even the big time business owners we know that dropped out went to a big time school initially.
Again i'm not saying you have to agree with me..but at least go off more then just the video that's' what I did.
Clearly, no. LS is great for people who lack creativity and can't think outside the box of traditional careers--no judgment, I was one since I'm unfortunately a lawyer now. However, I never quite fit in and did not volunteer to speak with potential students as I did not have the conscience to lie to them. I'm honest when others ask me now and would not in good faith recommend this field to anyone. Not b/c I don't want competition as I'm trying to leave this field ASAP. Please help me, God.
I doubt anyone applying to law school knows whether they "really enjoy the law." I'd instead ask why someone wants to be a lawyer. Of the possible motivations, most have to do with money, social justice, or prestige. I think all of these are terrible motivations to enter the law.
First, if you are motivated by money, why not something like business or finance? Imagine what a talented person could do in the same three years law students are briefing cases and making outlines. It would seem to me that someone with sufficient talent to get a full ride at a top law school could do well in a variety of lucrative fields, including those with less risk than attempting to penetrate the big law firms.
If you are motivated by social justice, I'd again have to ask, "why law school?" I think you have to consider that the US legal system really is very flawed. The US has its foundation in slavery and genocide of Native Americans. That history is the cornerstone of US legal thinking. That worked its way into the fabric of the legal system, disguised as property rights, federalism, and stare decisis. The legal system itself isn't just a part of the problem: it is the problem. It is like the water in which legal thinkers swim. It surrounds them so much that they aren't even aware of it. The lawyers are the gears in the machine of that system of oppression. That is why they are generally unhappy, workaholics, and substance abusers. Deep down, they know they are the bad guys in a bad system, even if they aren't consciously aware of it or tell themselves otherwise. To the extent that lawyers and judges help change bad laws and overturn bad cases--well, that is 9/10 social uplifting and consciousness and only 1/10 legal reasoning. Anyone could make the arguments in landmark rights cases like Loving v. Virginia. It took a raising of the consciousness of the population to make those arguments acceptable.
Finally, if you are motivated by prestige, I think people sell themselves short and forget how unique or talented they are and choose law because lots of famous politicians have been lawyers. It's a well-worn path rather than a unique one. It's a badge of status. But the truth is many of the great leaders in politics and business would be successful with or without a JD. Had Obama been an MBA or a PhD, for example, he'd still have had similar skills and risen far. Likewise, if a mediocre talent gets a JD, they are still a mediocre talent. They didn't somehow transform themselves into a talent equal to Obama just because they got the same degree.
I have graduated from a third tier law school than pursued an LLM in Corporate and International mergers and acquisitions. After completion of my education i became an stagiaire. In the beginning of carrer i earned 33K a year. Now its been almost 5 years and i make 91K a year. Its not about which school you graduate it is all about how motivated you are. Your clients wont question which school you have graduated but how many cases you won or lost.
No. Top 1/4 of a top 14 is in a great position but by no means secure. If you're someone who can perform in the top 1/4 of a top 14 law school, you are very talented. You need to give serious consideration to whether there are paths in other fields that may be more lucrative or more worthy of your skills.
this is so misleading. the people who make 40-60k a year are public defender's or shitty lawyers that work part time and don't take their job seriously. plus, the public defender's get amazing benefits and don't have to pay off law school debt.
By definition, 90% of the class isn't going to be in the top 10%. I'd recommend anyone not in the top 25% after the first semester reassess the situation and give strong consideration to cutting their losses and dropping out of law school.
Engineering, Computer Science and Medicine...Shit people actually demand for. Its Xbox's, Ferrari's and Big Houses, not legal services of x on wish lists... Stop trying to take a "lazy way out" thinking self-entitlement gives you access to money.
J Bullock is correct. That or find your niche, practice your strategies. Create value. Scale your model. Protect your product. Dominate. No law school degree needed. Remember that the most successful people learn by doing and succeed by never giving up.
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