Yo, I actually was one of the few that did graduate with the degree. We had a 90% drop out rate for our major. I saw students cry. I was just talented at it, I dont see how students who arent talented at science do it.
Ahh common these students aren't even trying. Engineering isn't about being smart, its about being driven and disciplined. I falied algebra twice in high schol and twice in college. Now I'm almost done with a mech engineering degree with a 3.6 gpa.
Companies don't want entry level these days. Go look at job postings, every "entry level" posting required experience, a bachelors degree, and additional portfolios of work just to get a $16/hr job filing papers and taking calls. Let alone something like programming where you need multiple accounts filled with projects from various websites, references, just to get a foot in the door for programming work.
Meanwhile there are thousands of jobs a week paying $12/hr to scrub sinks or listen to customers explain how they know more than you.
Maybe because math sucks and our society has cheated two generations on their education by refusing to hurt their feelings.
Combine that with a social construct that rewards ridiculous and bratty behavior with millions of dollars and voila.
You have a drug problem.
That guy at the end talking about pratical applications is right. Making things relevant gives more reason to learn them, once I started building circuits etc I learned a lot easier and had a way better understanding of the applications, problems I come across and its overall how it functions.
It's not that the mathmatics isn't useful because it definitely is, a lot of circuits require the maths in order to design them but if your not actually building things it doesn't give the full understanding. Its like theory is 50% practical is the other 50% to the full understanding.
If the problem is people dropping out from it being too hard, don't take as many people into the course. Make the selection process harder so the more devoted people shine through, instead of flooding the market with inexperienced people and having them complain because they though collage was about getting drunk and having party's
People today expect to have everything handed to them after they get an engineering degree. Well done, you've just come out of school with debt, no applicable experience and a piece of paper.
Getting qualifications alongside working is the way to go i.e. higher apprenticeships as we call them in the UK.
Can't say the same thing in 2018. I'm in grade 12, going to college next year. Out of all my classmates, nearly 60% of them are pursing engineering of some kind, 30% are pursuing computer science or some natural science (phys, bio, chem) and the rest are mostly pursuing mathematics. My teachers are really concerned that there won't be any more art majors. Sad, actually.
Damn you studied a lot!, I remember studying only if I had to i.e before assignments, presentations, projects, or tests , but yeah those few days I studied were crazy i mean, literally scraping the internet, library, notes, youtube and catch few hours of sleep in between.
the problem is, the engineers don't want to travel worldwide to get those entry levels, so they give up, engineering is a world traveling career field, if you're not willing to travel, you're in the wrong field to go into, my best advice if you7 want an engineering job, join the marine corps, go into civil engineering, then server your 8 years, after that, move to japan, china, or germany, that's where you can get engineering jobs quick, in fact, in the marine corp, you could easily get your foot in the door dealing with senior engineers while your on tours in germany, and they can set you up, if you impress them
right on (y), I am an engineer with a masters too but tough time started after I finished school. I had to find jobs all across the country and practically living out of a suitcase. 2 years later I found a job that lets me settle in one city but my growth has stopped. You have to find a trade off between your growth ambitions and personal issues.
Title is misleading. The problem isn't engineers dropping out... It's these programs becoming more and more about MONEY than an education. Years + debt for a piece of paper (degree) that says someone else validated your worth is pointless in the realm of innovation and creativity. Time for higher education reform.
I made the equivalent of today's 100k in 1982, when I just turned 19, until now. Im retiring in a year with full benefits. Thats not amazing, but I barely graduated h.s. because I didn't give a shit. I took stupid classes like volleyball, bowling, home economics and 1/2 credit of math for idiots, which was all that was required. (I used a calculator for all the math I've ever needed since then). I just wanted a diploma, so I could get a good job.....and I did.
Unemployment was about 13% in 82 and I could have gotten 10 other good jobs at that time, because I wasn't affraid to work. I worked at a power plant and as a journeyman pipe fitter for the same large utility company for what will be 38 years. I acquired a lot of technical knowledge and had responsibilities that came with serious consequences. I made a good wage, with great benefits. But, most of you people would have seen me as a dirty, blue collar failure.
I worked hard, in nasty conditions but I owned my houses, raised a family, had money to have nice cars, nice things and we had fun. It wasn't a lot, but that was ok with me.
It's ok to get dirty and work hard and you can still make a living at it, no matter what your parents have told you about needing to go to college.
How about don’t go to college due to the opportunity cost of 4 years of lost income and the uncertainty of getting a job after graduating.
I’m 18 and making close to 5 figures/month which would’ve added up to over $300,000 in lost income had I gone to college full-time.
My advice: Don’t go to college. Learn a trade or go into sales as have I.
I majored in nursing and finished thats considered a science and yes it was hard but I finished with a 3.5 gpa. Definitely not easy spent hours and days of studying. You gotta want it bad, my class started with 58 students we only had 28 finished so 30 students started but either dropped out or failed out and I will say that at the end it was all worth it I LOVE what I do and I pray that everyone’s finds what they love and can do it for a living
Note: Poppy Harlow is BAD!!! Wow... The American educational and industrial system is a JOKE! Studying a bunch of equations and not seeing them applied in the real world or not being able to get paid Intern work in industry while you study is one of the biggest flaws with the US educational system. And like the guy below said, none of these fool companies want to hire you unless you have "experience", plus they would rather hire somebody from a foreign country, first at a fraction of the cost.
Sigh.. so what career is doable and makes enough to support two people these days? Geez. Researching into this is making me more and more sad. Welp, time for bed and another 10 hour shift at work tomorrow. LOLFML.
Columbia’s method is Applied Science. I received a BAS in Engineering from one of the now closed, For-Profit schools. My professors/instructors were former military that confirmed its how the Services train personnel too. I use parts of my education everyday as a technician. I continue to search for Engineering position without much success. They are scarce. Companies devote little to R&D as it takes a team of engineers to design prototypes. No lonesome Eng can do it all.
There is a widening gap in education levels between Colleges and public high schools. The high schools are manipulating grading standards to meet requirements. Teacher education requirements have been lowered to meet the challenges of lower budgets.
of course because the gov everywhere pays billions to the useless rubbish in police and politicians who cant investigate anything with unlimited authorities and budgets instead of making engineering courses free and pay special student loans for engineering students. the whole formula is wrong. the least productive police and politicians get unlimited authorities and zero accountability. I have seen the biggest rubbish bins working as police politicians and HEHEH regormers. politics is nothing to me and talking to computers is much better than talking to these rubbish bins and their entourage
your thinking is stupid.
its generalised because a high of university students don't have dead parents. "generalisation".
I go to the University of British Columbia, I go to Stanford university and i'm studying med, third year, so my I know what i'm talking about when I say a lot of students go there just to drink.
and if you are not willing to make sacrifices to commit to studying, no one is forcing you, McDonalds is always hiring, you will find something.
Tremendous knockout lol your whole point was a generalization, most clubs people aren’t there to drink ,and you do realize some people’s parents are dead or unavailable right? The point I was trying to make is not about handling the workload, but that it’s more to it than just studying. And life happens, bumps along the road due occur, life isn’t that black and white.
and honestly it doesn’t sound like you went to college, so I’ll leave this convo where it is. People commenting on things they never did would make your point more invalid than mine.
"most people intern" if you can't handle the workload of an internship and study, no one is forcing you to do either. You can obviously do an internship just after you study, so that point is invalid because its not a requirement, it's subjective, a persons choice, its not a "must" to intern before graduation.
If your parents can't afford $200 to pay for your food don't eat.
"I joined the party club in university where all we did was drink" (which is what more than half of the university clubs do, im speaking about real life not movies) on a resume sounds good. Great idea dude.
Tremendous knockout most people intern before graduating, some people don’t have parents to pay for everything, and the point of a club is to add the experience to your resume, and a lot of clubs have job placement depending on the major
Having just retired after four decades in Tech firms I'll say this;
American undergraduate students demand too much, we stopped recruiting the major Tech university in GA. because undergrads demanded $60k right out of school. Companies have a much easier time bringing H1B visa engineers over. They'll work 12 hr days and never complain. As for the dropouts, they can't do the work, it takes discipline and drive, American kids want to party and play XBox, I know I witnessed this with a nephew. After six plus yrs he FINALLY got his undergrad degree.
An engineering degree is often 140 credit hours, while other degrees are still 120 hours. Then when you graduate no one wants to hire you because H1B visa engineers can be hired for less. If you want to improve things for American engineers eliminate H1B visas. It was a bad idea that has been perverted into something much worse!
If schools except students who they suspect will drop out..it screws everybody. But ther is money to be mad from these drop outs when they take an extra year or two to finish any program they get into.
I'm going to be in the field too, and I think the main reason so many people drop out is because their in it for the same reason I'm in it: for the money, but this field is not for the faint of heart being in it for money alone and no heart won't get you any where. But people like me don't haven't much of a choice we're in a poor family and we need to bring something back home.
Employers: why isn't there more people working in our field!? We need more people who have degrees.
Me: I just graduated and have a degree! Will you hire me?
Employers: oooh, sorry you don't have enough experience.
How the fuck do you expect people to work in your goddamn field if you don't give them the experience you dumbfucks.
Yea I know why cause in lower tier schools you have to teach yourself. The professors suck ! In those Ivy league schools the professors are so good that literally anyone can have an easy time there if you are truly interested.
Well the engineering major has always been very difficult and have a high rate of failure.
So on top of that stress, there's the whole risk of being kicked out of college for not being able to maintain a certain GPA, as well as the cost of going to college being very very expensive.
Even with a student loan and some grants, you might struggle to be able to afford going to college and if you do end up switching majors in the middle of it all, you'll be spending more time and more money trying to get that degree in that other major. Again, in that instance you might not be able to afford it.
On top of that, even with a degree, you're not guaranteed a job let alone a job in that field you studied in.
Science and Engineering is hard allot is expected of you and there aren't that many jobs to be had especially now with outsourcing. I wanted to be an electrical engineer but found out I will do better in a trade job as an electrician!
I had to get a job as a contractor to start as an entry level engineer. This is not a secure job. I have less benefits than a straight company hire. Looking forward in a year to see if i can get hired directly with company, it is up to management.
This whole concept of working for someone is really stupid. Why would you let your financial success on somebody shoulders?
If you have a job or even good pay job, you have no future. You are wasting your life away for a paycheck. Is this why you are here on earth for a paycheck?
Maybe these colleges need to be more selective in their admissions process. It would have been interesting to see the dropout rates for non engineering majors. My guess is that they are similar. Why else omit them?
Step 1: Discriminate against Asians, whites, and males in college admissions.
Step 2: Actually hold students to standards.
Step 3: Act utterly mystified that so many students are dropping out or switching to bullshit Communications majors.
Step 4: Interview a black dropout, then a female one. Experience total failure looking for a Korean who quit.
Kek. You suck, CNN.
female engineers who get hired then on first 2 weeks are all fresh faced and looking who they can have sex with to get married and then take the man away from his job.. The male engineers who get hired ridicule other long term employees who have been there more than 5 years behind their backs when the break room is mostly new hires thinking they have power.
I notice these things and get the above 2 types fired ASAP.
in the US people graduate from high school top of their class and then struggle in college. In my country I was an average student in high school and still manage to graduate as an engineer on the top 70% of a top US college.
I dropped out but even my 3 friends who managed to graduate quit engineering after a few years. One went into web design, another one became a technical auditor, while the last one went into graphic design. They just didn't like it. I eventually became an electronic draftsman, which is a good fit for me, having not enough art talent to be an artist, nor enough tech talent to be an engineer, but just enough of each to be good draftsman. Doesn't pay as much but it's enough to live reasonably well on.
That fucking guy says "In highschool I took lots of calculus classes" ... all I smell is bull shit . Same mother fucker sayin he couldn't maintain a 2.0 gpa took "Lots" of calculus classes... get the fuck outta here.
Engineers don't get paid enough for the amount of work they have to put in to the degree. They could just do an easy arts degree then get a sales job and make 3 times what they would've made as an engineer.
Even engineers who do manage to graduate aren't that good at their jobs. And the Engineers that are good end up carrying the weight of entire teams of lousy ones. The problem is that engineering isn't something that you can teach in just 2 to 4 years. You either have to start teaching it earlier by having engineering classes in high school or earlier, or have companies expect having to train engineers over a longer term. Also, very capable engineers should be paid a lot more. They should be paid on par with top level management even if they aren't managers themselves.
You need a significant level of natural intelligence, previous hard work k-12, and a willingness to repeatedly do poorly on tests/quizzes/in classes and keep trying, to become an engineer. Columbia has a low drop out rate simply because a majority of their students are there because they already have those things. Additionally, they probably have rich parents and the benefits that went along with that.
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