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Intel Kernel Security Check Fiasco - Is INTEL in TROUBLE?! #Meltdown

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So a HUGE security flaw in Intel CPUs dating back as far as the 1st Generation Core i series (think i7-920, i3-550 etc., nahalem, westmere), could mean that hackers could gain access to (they won't be able to as soon as this is patched in the next week, via a kernal page table isolation update) privileged information via a security check exploit where apparently (we won't find out 100% until Jan 9th) the Intel core i and associated xeon chips were made with performance gains in mind at the expensive of security. This is said that once it's patched it could spell performance hits from anywhere from 5% to 30%, though users with the patched Linux systems have reported drops of even more than the 30%, though gamer's and main rig productivity users seem to be unaffected. *Edit this is one of three variants identified as Meltdown, I will cover the other two in another video, will also test performance numbers for you guys. AMD CPUs on the other hand are supposedly not affected one bit (all pun intended) by this security flaw in the OS Kernel. Also in this video I explain as best I can what is going on and what in basic function the kernel in the operating system does. And to further complicate things the CEO of Intel has apparently sold off as much stock as possible. So who knows what will go on from here, but looks like some more 'interesting' times ahead. Links to articles used (there are a heap of good reads here:) Benchmarks from Phoronix: https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=linux-415-x86pti&num=2 Hot Hardware Article: https://hothardware.com/news/intel-cpu-bug-kernel-memory-isolation-linux-windows-macos PostGresQL Article: https://www.postgresql.org/message-id/20180102222354.qikjmf7dvnjgbkxe@alap3.anarazel.de Python Article: http://pythonsweetness.tumblr.com/post/169166980422/the-mysterious-case-of-the-linux-page-table Extreme Tech Article: https://www.extremetech.com/computing/261364-massive-intel-cpu-bug-leaves-kernel-vulnerable-reduce-performance Page Table Info: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Page_table Investor holdings from fool.com: https://www.fool.com/investing/2017/12/19/intels-ceo-just-sold-a-lot-of-stock.aspx The Register: https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/01/02/intel_cpu_design_flaw/ The Verge: https://www.theverge.com/2018/1/3/16844630/intel-processor-security-flaw-bug-kernel-windows-linux PCworld: https://www.pcworld.com/article/3245606/security/intel-x86-cpu-kernel-bug-faq-how-it-affects-pc-mac.html Reuters Article: https://in.reuters.com/article/cyber-intel/security-flaws-put-virtually-all-phones-computers-at-risk-idINKBN1ES1BM Itwire article: https://www.itwire.com/security/81321-fixes-rushed-out-for-intel-cpu-bug-as-embargo-collapses.html Institutional Investors Intel: http://www.nasdaq.com/symbol/intc/institutional-holdings Institutional Investors AMD: http://www.nasdaq.com/symbol/amd/institutional-holdings Intel Lawsuit: http://archive.fortune.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/2006/08/21/8383598/index.htm Twitter Link for Brainsmoke: https://twitter.com/brainsmoke/status/948561799875502080 Tweaktown Article used: https://www.tweaktown.com/news/59584/asus-z270-platform-work-coffee-lake-cpus/index.html For a $1 a month you can help support the channel directly & gain access to an uncut special monthly live: http://www.patreon.com/techyescity Join our Forums for Discussion: www.techcity.tv/forum Stay up to date with the latest updates here: Twitter - www.twitter.com/techyescity Instagram - www.instagram.com/techyescity Facebook - www.facebook.com/techyescity Google Plus - https://goo.gl/QdZmQF Check out my Video Editing PC Here - http://amzn.to/2oFKlrb ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Music Provided by either: monstercat, chukibeats, epidemicsound, vlognocopyright or bassrebels
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NEY Industries (2 days ago)
When your CPU is 10 years old... And it's an AMD. xD
Bill Dickson (5 days ago)
So what do folk buy if you are in the market for a new gaming rig? Or, do we wait, wait, wait? Some are saying AMD cpu's are effected some say they aren't. Are the AMD Ryzen threadripper cpu.s ok?
N7 Armington (5 days ago)
meltdown is probably just another NSA back door so they can spy on the world
Chrome Cobalt (6 days ago)
Not affected by this because amd -> people justify being shafted by intel -> i say im not affected -> they call me brainwashed. LOGIC
Kiwi TeeTee (7 days ago)
Microsoft's patch also caused Intel® Pentium® Processor G3258 to bluescreen, just like the AMD processors. Was working on a Windows 7 PC that was rebooting after 2 minutes of uptime, that had this processor and it had received this update. So went back to a system restore and installed the updates that were applied one by one and discovered this patch KB4056894 was causing the problem. So it is not just AMD processors!!!
THE16THPHANTOM (7 days ago)
potential to destroy Intel... maybe bring down cpu prices. since many people are going to be weary of the flaws. i know my next CPU won't be from intel. granted my next cpu upgrade is like 5 years from now when the new cpu won't have the flaw anymore.
Clem Fandango (8 days ago)
does this mean crypto miners security is vulnerable ?
Clem Fandango (8 days ago)
intel can go ft's
John crew (8 days ago)
WINDOWS force update? While i was watching this video on my phone. windows restarted my desktop and force updated even without my permission.
Zoltan Horvath (8 days ago)
Would love to hear how this will affect 3d rendering with Vray and Arnold. Some of us have to render for a living. If it's bad I guess will just switch to gpu rendering.
Hanz (9 days ago)
Just don't keep passwords on your PC. Simple.
Natsu Dragneel (12 days ago)
I don’t even know if I want to build a gaming pc anymore
Jeffrey Bozko (12 days ago)
intel cheating again, what a surprise
Dentysta Statysta (12 days ago)
Brandon Dennis (12 days ago)
Just more shady shit from intel and they got Busted....AGAIN. Here comes the Lawsuits!!!
Jace Purdy (12 days ago)
I’m so happy I switched to AMD
Impromptu (12 days ago)
Maybe I'm just not cynical enough (and that's a suggestion that would make anyone who knows me burst out laughing) but I really think this security flaw was a sloppy oversight from Intel, rather than a corner deliberately cut for fast bucks. I say sloppy, but this kind of kernel-level accessing is pretty arcane stuff. Hey, it's taken 10 years for experts in the field to notice it. Also, other chip manufacturers have been implementing similar speculative execution functionality in as similar a way as they can get away with and their products aren't completely immune either. Moreover, if this has been a way for other manufacturers to stick a knife into Intel for 10 years, why has the knife stayed sheathed until now? And why did the others also have to take time to analyse the problem and release research and patches themselves? They reverse engineer and analyse each others products all the time. Nope, I reckon the others just got lucky (or rather luckier). And if it's any comfort to some, if your processor is from 2015 onwards, you have some mitigation via PCID. Practical upshot? Panic, of course. But a lot of the kind of users that really care about whipfast performance will have upgraded their hardware recently and not be so badly affected. The vast majority of others will be affected more badly, but are less likely to be performing the kind of tasks that will take bigger hits. They're also not really likely to even notice if eg their Powerpoint presentation is a bit more sluggish to load. The server market is another question. Reputation will be an issue certainly. But big data companies aren't suddenly going to go out and spend a packet on replacing tens of thousands of units. They'll do what the users will do - install patches, keep a close eye on developments and upgrade hardware as and when. It'll take a while, but server farms swap out old or faulty units every day. They'll probably junk a load of inventory though - and Intel will be forced to cut a deal on new hardware for a while. Litigation will be a pain for Intel too, but actual negligence will be hard to prove and it's very difficult to sue for injury that could have occurred but didn't. That could change of course, if any proof comes to light that the weakness has actually been exploited. I personally think that's unlikely - contrary to popular myth, hackers don't tend to be geniuses. They're more likely to clumsily pretend to be your mum than hack you at a kernel level. They also specialise in payloads, not delivery - most malware contains large chunks of "off the shelf" code. Also, how likely is it that criminals, who are invariably of the smash and grab mindset, have had the discipline to exploit this hole for 10 years without flagging it up? The new battle lines between good and bad guys have been drawn over Spectre though... And I can see a surge in activity from auto-password software ("vault" style stuff) to regularly rotate passwords. On the subject of which, as yet, this kind of info hacking has to be done on a bit-by-bit basis and requires the use of timed conditional loops. In practice, it's quite slow. And a lot of sensitive servers time out. So it's more important than ever to have passwords that are great big long complex monsters. I'm not advocating complacency here people, just being realistic.
Mike Liu (13 days ago)
Their stocks are dropping
LivvieLynn (13 days ago)
Isn't dumping stock like that insider trading? :<
Tech YES City (13 days ago)
They have to prove that he would have had knowledge of the events and that they would be detrimental to the stock prices. Cases like these they just deny deny deny.
fetB (13 days ago)
fucked up thing is, they knew this in june last year already
Ray Horn (13 days ago)
This is an ideal way for Intel to force their loyal customers to bu6 new chips. Think about it.
Mathieu L (14 days ago)
But if you don't go into the internet, it doesn't matter isn't it?
Star of Eden (14 days ago)
intel is getting fucked in the ass properly world wide this time
Star of Eden (14 days ago)
Recommendations : Buy AMD RYZEN cpus..they dont have the hardware fault like all intel cpus have the last many years where all passwords can be stolen
Cloud Economics US (14 days ago)
Liked, awesome vid! I have more info, check it out: https://youtu.be/816jfFHAsng
its just a prank bro (14 days ago)
Intel oof
Brian Lock (14 days ago)
It is just a NSA feature. Can't think off my head the P word, is like prasm, or like prime or i don't know what's that.
Nathaniel Page (14 days ago)
Yeah, just wait for the price drops !!
Almir Preldzic (14 days ago)
Intel is a new world order company? Say it isn't so . . .
Chase Kennett (14 days ago)
1:24 Spat out my coffee that was gold Brian
ChessMasterNate (14 days ago)
I suspect Nvidia went up as investors who prefer to invest in the market leaders switched from Intel stock to Nvidia stock.
Roberto Ordaz (14 days ago)
Thanks for the breakdown explanation, Brian. It's good to know (and understand) what exactly this will mean for those of us with Intel CPUs. Keep up the great work.
exterminar (14 days ago)
This should be rolling heads, but it won't. As you have so smartly pointed out in this video, this made INTC investors a lot of money. The consumers got screwed... This is similar to the Volkswagen emissions scandal...
noxxi knox (14 days ago)
This is crazy, could potentially destroy Intel, we will have to wait a couple of years before we see the real effects of this
taipanino (14 days ago)
awesome shirt lol
Rhys Briggs (15 days ago)
the past 2 weeks ive been getting Blue screens of death, "kernel security check failure". Could this be my problem?? i didnt format 10 and reinstall 7 for nothing did i? :'(
Cristófano Varacolaci (15 days ago)
This CPU fiasco makes people want to buy a graphics card - hahahahaha
Tammy Elissa (15 days ago)
Ahahahaha, that Kernel joke was hilarious. 1:22
Thespacepuma 37.3 (15 days ago)
So is the i5 2500 affected? I’m confused
Excaliber (15 days ago)
AMD is not affected by INTEL Flaw and this is why! " Quote AMD">>To be clear, the security research team identified three variants targeting speculative execution. The threat and the response to the three variants differ by microprocessor company, and AMD is not susceptible to all three variants. Due to differences in AMD's architecture, we believe there is a near zero risk to AMD processors at this time. AMD processors are not subject to the types of attacks that the kernel page table isolation feature protects against,” Intel does not, seems they eliminated it to get more speed out of their chips. The AMD microarchitecture does not allow memory references, including speculative references, that access higher privileged data when running in a lesser privileged mode when that access would result in a page fault.” In this case, the issue reportedly has to do with an exploitable security flaw in the way that the kernel of the Microsoft Windows operating system interacts with Intel processors. A hacker could, hypothetically, take advantage of this undesirable interaction to bypass normal security measures. Microsoft's proposed fix could result in performance drops as high as 30% in PCs that run on Intel chips that were released as long as 10 years ago. The drop-in performance could lead to "huge slowdowns in typical workloads, “according to the Python Sweetness developer blog. This will most likely affect Data Centers the most, and it has been said that it will not affect gaming, But the truth is no one knows for sure, since each application and game is coded differently if the game or application uses virtual memory it could be impacted greatly, most likely some programs and games will be affected and others will not. The fix requires a recode in how kernels and processors interact. The solution (Patch or Fix) requires processors to do more work in terms of security and isolating bits of the kernel, meaning a likely hit to performance. Additional overhead is introduced to maintain a barrier between memory address spaces, which can result in a performance handicap of 30 percent or more. Depending on you system and applications. The biggest problem is the companies that have virtualized environments, which is a lot of big name companies. They will see the performance hit the most. AMD processors aren't affected by the bug due to security protections that the company has in place. This also means that AMD processors shouldn't be affected by any performance hits. AMD"s latest EPYC data center server chips and Ryzen Pro enterprise desktop CPUs have Secure Memory Encryption technology on board, for additional protection against just these sorts of threat vectors. The problem with the INTEL software fix is in its self is a vulnerability. It is simply a band aid, to fix the problem short term. Since the problem is mostly hardware based, And Band Aids can be hacked too, and now the hackers know where to focus their efforts. The only real way for Intel to fix the issue is a total new hardware architecture, the problem is with that its it can take years to develop. This means even with the software temporary Band aid; Intel processors will still be venerable since sooner or later the band aid will be hacked too. Due to this problem I think we will be seeing many businesses move their server operations to AMD Epic over the next 24 to 36 months, they do not have the time to wait years for a new INTEL architecture to be developed. Their liability is here and now, and I am sure they are not willing to put their companies on the line with possible lawsuits due to this flaw that could have their customers personal data stolen. They simply will not take the chance. Also in the long term as far as INTEL reputation and trust have been tarnished with everyone, since they knew about this problem for a decade, and chose to cover it up, and from an outsider looking in view point the motivation seems to be greed, removing security features to obtain more speed out of their chips to enable them to justifying charging more for their product. This will now come back to haunt them. Now once the patch in place some people and systems will run much slower, and with a chip they paid much more for! I am sure this will result in many law suites, and could down the road devastate Intel as a company.
Walther Penne (15 days ago)
Neither Meltdown nor Spectre are the biggest problems guys! The problems are the soon COMING heavier vulnerabilities which aren´t announced yet for obvious reasons!People say about 10-12 "Meltdown"-similar vulnerabilities will be announced in the coming 6 months!
SKO (15 days ago)
Intel must get sued .. to play good just like what happened with apple
Muhammad Yuda (15 days ago)
I don't care i will like to buy when the price drop 😄😄😄😄
pine tree (15 days ago)
Fuck the update, them hackers can have my porn.
Does it effect the i5 8400????
ZyFinity (15 days ago)
i was like finally im gonna know what the kernel is the dude who made gr8 chicken that i r8 8/8 m8
JSN Gaming (15 days ago)
Q9650 yee im not affected
PUBG CLIPS (15 days ago)
I died at the KFC joke. Good video.
Alecxace (15 days ago)
Vladimir Putin (15 days ago)
just install SpyShelter Premium
Matlockization (16 days ago)
bbpetrov (16 days ago)
i will continue to use socket 775 for more years, newer core iFUCK can go ... itself!
tennu (16 days ago)
Can somebody help me ? I have a i5-7300hq About 1-2 months ago it was turboing to 3.5ghz with gaming now its only 3.1ghz turbo when game is open , but if i close the game it goes back to 3.5ghz Also cpu usage is high at idle 25-30% and also ram is being used 3500mb .. Using win 10 os . Computer is 4 months old ..
Don Cedric (16 days ago)
Can i put x3450 on my msi h55m-e33 motherboard?
BaseExploits (16 days ago)
not sure whether to turn off windows update or to risk it and take the extra performance
p t (16 days ago)
Makes me think how long has this been known about , selling off stocks  , mmmm. a Decade !
Mrazer Krazer (16 days ago)
After all the news over the last couple of days one thing is sure. Intel will get sued...bad. Especially since the Intel boss reduced his own stocks to a bare minimum before giving a full briefing on IT to shareholders. Smells like insider trading. Big stock holders e.g. banks do not like to get screwed over. Over the long run i would say...yeah Intel could get similar treatment in the US like that VW manager they locked up.
Juno Lepsi (16 days ago)
What ive learned from this video: Intel makes bad chicken
Jason Kloos (16 days ago)
Just read AMD and Arm processors are also affected.
Jason Kloos (16 days ago)
JimsplayzHD (16 days ago)
so you are saying that my i3 6100 might be in trouble?
BADDOGGY (16 days ago)
T-Shirt should of said "The Truth MEGAHERTZ!"
Xeriox01 (16 days ago)
should I turn off updates then? I dont want my cpu to take a hit, thast's bs AND SHOULD GIVE ME MONEY BACK FOR THE CPU i bought?
hc 20 (16 days ago)
Good thing I'm getting a Ryzen 5 1600X
DIY Tech (16 days ago)
i7 2600. M safe guys m safe
Ecks Dee (16 days ago)
What about Spectre? It affects all cpus
C. Costa (16 days ago)
Welp, now that this is going to be patched, we won't be able to hack Iranian, Chinese, Russian, or North Korean computers and servers anymore. Thank Google for blowing the lid on one of the greatest backdoors *ever* created in cyber-security history. The implications of this hitting the public knowledge sphere is going to cripple the US cyberwars in the largest way it's ever been hit before, and probably ever will be.
D Debeli (16 days ago)
Some people in the NSa are gonna get fired for this leak.
Python Statistical (16 days ago)
Great I just invested in an E5-1650 HPZ420 that came with 32Gb of Ram. Looks like next build will be a Ryzen, hopefully, Ram will be cheaper by the time I build. Was holding off as I heard that there were stability issues with Ryzen on Ubuntu. The server market will hurt Intel big time. Intel will need to do something otherwise the server market will see AMD as a more attractive alternative. Doing nothing but offer new server chips without the bug is not an option.
Python Statistical (16 days ago)
What about Spectre?
gstylez0107 (16 days ago)
Wow, you just opened my eyes. I hadn't looked at it that way, but I think you're onto something. It seems to me that the CPU industry is going the way of Apple with planned obsolescence. Their using fear tactics by utilizing the "security flaw" as an excuse to limit our hardware with software. If that's what's really going on then we shouldn't stand for it. The problem is that the issue sounds complicated enough that most people won't go digging into it to call them on their bullshit. It would probably be a nightmare to prove in court... if anyone could even take it that far.
Fernando Salazar (16 days ago)
Intel is stuck where they can't improve CPU's as much as they want, so instead of them improving CPU's due to lack of intellect and personal to enhance it, they opt to fraud their previous products that they no longer have warranty, is the same fraudulent market strategy that Sony has always implemented but people are too ignorant to understand it, Sony is far worse when it comes to making technology and fraud their customers and they get away with it, Intel also has gotten away with a lot of fraud, only Apple is doing things the less fraudulent way.
Skelleton Man (16 days ago)
you know too much brian run
Nepth D (16 days ago)
What will happen to the amd+intel apu? 😮
olov244 (16 days ago)
since this is a hardware thing, do you think commercial industries will dump a bunch of newer xeons on the market for ones without the hardware thing?
CipherBytes (16 days ago)
Bargain basement prices coming on flawed CPU's... Get ready :)
Daniel Sutherland (16 days ago)
They need to compensate people in some shape or form for this blunder
Zombie Gaming (16 days ago)
I ran the detection tool looks like I'm safe ;)
Guen Arkant (16 days ago)
Why do you talk about January 9th ? Patch KB4056892 is out already. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qZksorJAuY Lol Ryan wants to make clickbait and misses the news...
Mr.Mudcatslim (16 days ago)
"You take the blue pill, the story ends. You wake up in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe. You take the red pill, you stay in Wonderland, and I show you how deep the rabbit hole goes." Morpheus to Neo 1999 ( Or what....about as long as Intel has known???) Who knows man. They won't tell ya. Show less REPLY
isaac jimenez (16 days ago)
im really worried i have a i7 6700k ! after hearing the bad news im getting another i7 6700k
Metalmachine467 (16 days ago)
According to jays two cents it would effect amd too
Logan9773 (16 days ago)
Looking to jump on a Class Action Lawsuit against Intel.
Gripen90 (16 days ago)
While Meltdown might only be affecting Intel CPU''s, Spectre is affecting Intel, AMD, ARM CPU's meaning smartphones are also vulnerable. So don't just cheer yet because you have an AMD (I have both AMD and Intel).
G GG (16 days ago)
Brutal stuff,their rep will suffer,mud sticks.
OvalWingNut (16 days ago)
Another gOOd take on a complex subject.. Thank you.
Bear River (16 days ago)
We built this shitty
Tech YES City (16 days ago)
on salt and rolls.
HAYDER AL-AKAM (16 days ago)
It's not economy mate , it's policy , how else can you breach information if not on a hardware level !!!, you should dig in more and see who Intel belongs to.
Channel eX (16 days ago)
Can you do benchmarks on older cups? Sandybridge, Ivy bridge, Haswell.
Dark Magician (16 days ago)
Intel Management Engine may prevent security vulnerabilities, but problem is that if I install Intel ME, then I cannot play co-op campaign in Gears of War 4 PC since it'll most likely cause my NAT to be restricted, and thus, I cannot play co-op campaign. https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/articles/000025619/software.html
Juissi :D (16 days ago)
i need help, my windows update is not working. i only get this message "Windows update cannot currently check for updates, because the service is not running. You may need to restart your computer." i have tried from restarting to troubleshooting, nothing seems to work
Juissi :D (16 days ago)
Guen Arkant (16 days ago)
You have the virus already, it's too late. Get a mac book.
Remco Komduur (16 days ago)
That the meltdown bug has been discovered now even though it exists since 1995 isn't hardly surprising. Containers are only now popular and the meltdown bug is a problem for container technology. So get ready for more container security related bugs and leaks.
Dark Magician (16 days ago)
Meltdown PDF: https://meltdownattack.com/meltdown.pdf
Petri Helenius (16 days ago)
Intel, AMD, nVidia = 3 companies AMD stocks up 5% Intel stocks down 4% nVidia stocks up 6,5% 5 - 4 + 6,5 = 7,5 Intel produces CPU's = 1 product AMD produces CPU's and GPU's = 2 products nVidia produces GPU's = 1 product 7,5 rounded down gives us 7 7 - 1 - 2 - 1 = 3 7,5 rounded up gives us 8 Intel CPU bug causes people to buy GPU's = 1 product = 1 8 - 1 = 7 7 - 1 - 2 - 1 = 3 Three number "3's" = 3 Half Life 3 confirmed.
Areeb Jamal (15 days ago)
more like half life 2 chapter 2 episode 2
xArChIe z (15 days ago)
Petri Helenius ‘triggered’ yep fuckin normies
Petri Helenius (15 days ago)
bobsaget823 You sure you aren't projecting your neckbeardiness unto me? Also, a triggered reaction like this one of those that I was hoping for. Thank you for providing. If I could ask for one more favor of you, I could use some more salt, I want to store it for later use and consumption.
bobsagget823 (16 days ago)
dead meme. fuck off neckbeard
Petri Helenius (16 days ago)
Aw... hell. I was not aware of that. Big Shaq just put me to shame. His mafs was more quik than mine.
Pickles Mcgee (16 days ago)
it's a conspiracy, they want us to buy next gen cpus!! ^^
Mark Cox (16 days ago)
Nail on the head Brian! These bozos are giving us (the price/performance consumers) the shaft. This is just way too scripted and information managed to not be intel shenanigans. My only question is can I REFUSE the update? I'm running a 3570k and don't want any part of it.
Greg Greg (16 days ago)
Leave my 7700k alone, why you do this Intel?!
Steven Williams (16 days ago)
all of your budget videos now all of the "modern" intel cpu's prior to gen4 are going to suffer the most? Look what you did Bryan! 😂
how do i get the patch? how do i tell if i have the patch? i have windows 10 btw
Na Son (16 days ago)
If anyone is looking to buy gtx 1070 8gb for cheap leave your email asking for $250 for mine. Also selling some other parts cheap
Unicorn Workhorse (16 days ago)
Heheh ryzen boiii

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