Windows 10 has released their Post Meltdown patch, and here today we are testing the 1st Generation Intel Xeons (very much like the i7-980) and overclocking it, coupling it with a 1080 Ti and testing both pre windows 10 meltdown update and post windows 10 meltdown update for pc gaming. And the results may, or may not surprise you! I also include some quick tips, and really in short hindsight think this issue was overdone, at least for single-end desktop users.
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I have a 3770k and I’ve installed 1907 windows version when I update the video driver it’s fine after it automatically updates to 1803 version it crashes. Games’s stop working parts of windows don’t work like control panel. They never boot.
If I install 1709 then let it up date to 1803, it’s fine but when I update the the drivers it will crash with blue screen. CMOS bootrec /fixboot will say denied access, can’t get passed that.
thanks for the video subbed :) i just bough a X230 thinkpad (laptop) with a i5 sandybridge , does uninstalling windows then installing an earlier update or hackintosh avoid the performance drop ??? thanks :)
I got a i3 from like 6-7 years ago. And i just updated today but then cnet uploaded a video today saying intel telling people not to update with the latest patch now not sure i should turn my latop on. Also i got windows 7
I actually use the same CPU x5670 and I love it. I have had the brick problem happen while overclocking. I actually did the same thing 3 times in a row to make sure it was the overclock. I've noticed that mine is not stable after 4Ghz. I run mine at abut 3.9 and it's stable as can be.
Without doing a non-existing BIOS update for my Gulftown based system, the Windows 10 fixes won't kick in.
Checked the registry, its not a missing entry that prevents fix activation.
In other words, many older system owners are likely screwed over. Unless one does specific things on Windows 10, you won't know if the fix is activated or not and can only see the fix is installed. Easily leading to a conclusion of no impact whatsoever, which would be the wrong conclusion as nothing is fixed!
I'm pretty sure this is what happened to my sister's PC immediately after Meltdown/Spectre were announced. She had to reinstall. It's no good to rush out updates like this. At least MS realized what was happening and halted the updates.
The update bricked my secondary rig with a haswell xeon and a 1060 as well... At first i thought the SSD has died, the i realised that it was just windows... fortunately there are no improtant files on that system and the brain of my setup (a x5650 machine with 4x4TB HDD) is running free NAS :)
Gaming wasn't really going to be affected much by this, where this update will cause major issues is with enterprise solutions or anything that has to access millions of files regularly. Servers will be hit hard by the flaw in Intel's design gamers not so much.
I had a feeling it was really targeting server and cloud-based systems...not consumer based computers with dynamic IP addresses. The only thing that sucks is that out can affect other computing devices like phones and tablets.
Dam Nice Webcam Love you videos bro hope your doing good and i hope you know i was giving you a hard time about teh brake fluid thing
after time brake fluid will eat the board so that's why i was saying that it will also eat paint on your car if you leave it there lol well take care
brake cleaner will eat the crap out of your PCB's this is a proven fact i know because i also was a car mechanic and pc tech for like 20 years :)
It's been announced today here that it may only affect chips pre 2015 with OLDER operating systems. Should another benchmark be done for those running Windows 7? (I only run Windows 10 so unaffected but would watch!)
You've slightly misunderstood Spectre/Meltdown. Spectre is the family of potential future exploits that use the CPU flaw in almost all current CPUs to gain access to 'private' memory, bit by bit. Meltdown is the first variant of a Spectre-type exploit and it is the worst-case example in that it is able to examine kernel memory simply because it was partially mapped to user space for speed of access. The new patch stops that mapping so a spectre-type exploit can no longer access kernel memory. However, you can't stop Spectre accessing user memory as that is where the CPU flaw resides. So, instead of exploiting kernel memory it can now only access user memory. However, that user memory is 'private' and could be other user's passwords and or data and could give administrator access.
I have "almost" the same board and chip :D
My system (X5670): slightly lower scores on DDR3, in passmark performance test 8: the "database operations" went from 95 to 83 points. Overall my memory score went from 2205 to 2130.
CPU overall test showing exactly the same score as in November.
Single core perf. remained the same (increased by a marging of error, 1 point).
SSD speeds lowered a little. I think only synthetic tests are affected.
2D performance test was showing an "all time low" on my system, nothing big, 10-15% and this could be affected by windows or drivers.
3D perf. test showing almost the same score. dx11 test went from 199 to 197.7 (margin of error LOL).
Ive experienced no issues at all after the update.
BF1 did not crash since the update (ULTRA WEIRD, this game is not meant to be stable)
My setup is very similar: P6X58D Premium, X5670 200x21 4.2 Ghz 1.36V, 12 GB (3x4GB) Corsair Vengeance 1600 CL9 2N 1.52V, 850 EVO 250, + another 1 SSD + 1 HDD, GTX 970 Xtreme gaming from gigabyte, creative x-fi xtreme audio.
I had similar problem as you with vertex 450 SSD a few years back. And it is persistent, when I put system on this SSD it fails, BSOD like crazy. So I bought 850EVO and had no problems since (2 years). I use the Vertex 450 now as a game storage and no data corruption there... Maybe this board just does not like some ssds. (Maybe the P6X58-E has differrent SATAcontroller)
Overall I cant see any defference on my PC, except synthetic benchmarks. I run all passmark performance test to record highest score, 10x medium lenght combined with 2x very long.
I think for gaming and occasional video editing, graphics, my system is not affected by this hotfix.
Seems like the performace will drop 3-4% in games after you applied the microcode update. Thats how it goes at least for newer Intel CPUs. Also 20-30% performance drop on SSD read/write in certain cenarios. Not sure if there will be a microcode update for old CPUs as well. That security issue cant be fixed with windows update only though.
I am a bit worried for my home server and the loss of performance here.
However, it is running Linux, so I hope there will be a way to turn off the fixes and run without them, even if it has virtual machines and is shifting files around, I am not worried about others snooping at the data... Mostly because they will have to get to it first which is a lot trickier.
theres no final fix for this yet. Theres going to be updates for months or maybe even years to close up all the applications this will effect. So benchmarking a few random games right after its first update doesn't mean much in showing what impact it will have.
The major performance hit is in server/datacenter/supercomputer/database workloads and compiling code. I have seen performance hits up over %500 in compiling.
Most home users are fine but big iron is absolutely FUCKED.
A brick pc is one that can't be recovered from (drive somehow got screwed up, but that is recoverable)
a brick pc/console comes from wii when they turn into a brick as they are no longer recoverable (due to modding or nand fail and can no longer work ever)
I purchased a used HP Z400 with a X5650 xeon over the holidays. Then the news came out about the chip problem and loss of performance. Had me worried about my new (to me) gaming pc. Thank you for taking the time to benchmark and compare pre and post-update, and to show there's no difference in performance.
For us consumers that's a good news at first.
The Spectre issue remains nonetheless, so here's to hope AMD, ARM and Intel to have ideas for upcoming processors in mind.
Until then I don't think upgrading is worth it anymore (unless Apple, Linux devs and Microsoft can somehow fix it from inside their software) as the problem remains.
Too bad actually because I already planned to save up money for the 1600X.